BibleBill 1257087137|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
A note should be put in to the DM Reprint section that states that the DM reprint is not likely to be found. With only 55 copies in existence, you are unlikely to find it.
Sidney Schwartz 1247412611|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
I agree.
I just tried to add a new book to a listing, and am not sure if I was successful or not.
This is a wonderful project. I have been collecting Bible from various versions for about 30 years. I have collected from over 340 versions. I have a lot of information to share, but really don't understand this process.
Thanks,
Sidney Schwartz
m-kaly 1234994056|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
Hello wiki-master and senoir members,
as I was not really successful with my first try, I'm asking for help here in the forum. Maybe I am not the only one to need advice, and maybe there is someone who can easily write up a small recipe here for newbees.
Apparently, the Bible Catalog has some logic and structure. Therefor it would be most helpful to have instructions or even rules, in which sequence to proceed such that any additional page appears in its most suitable location and is also registered in all lists.
Thanks!
Michael
m-kaly 1234982094|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
About Classification
Hello there, I agree with Mike-y that it may soon be impossible to keep control if works are listed in multiple ways using "copies" of the data. Each item should be described in just 1 (one) entry, no matter which idea was applied by the original author for classification. Some kind of search engine will find whatever is asked for, as long as the answer is in the data.
As most Bibles are translations anyway, a few more fields may be significant though not mandatory. So why not allow to add them individually if the information is vailable; e.g. translator, commentator, revised by, publisher, printer, …
Also, I am missing "data" like number of pages, physical size, type of cover and binding, … all of which I consider important library information.
And when it comes to referencing Bibles in non-English languages there is also the aspect of scripts (character sets, fonts etc), e.g.
- Language: Jiddish, written in Hebrew characters
- Language: German, printed in Fractura/Gothic typeset
Suggested conclusion: allow and encourage as much information as possible or available, and provide for a powerful search engine.
Michael K.
Mike_y 1234251981|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
Ok, I'm lost where to put this: Paul Younan completed an interlinear of the Peshitta Syriac Gospels. As far as I know this was not published outside academia, and is only available online.
Is it original languages (there is a camp that declares the Greek to be a translation from the Aramaic.)
Is is a Parallel (since that is the closest match)
Is it an Interlinear (you have Green's Interlinear on the main english page)
Do we need a separate Interlinear list? (Parallels compare whole verses, Interlinears compare the individual words. This is a world of difference… especially when you are dealing with a language you don't have fluency in.)
Is it an Internet-only?
OR is it a foriegn Language?
I've listed it under the parallel's, but feel free to put it right.
Well, I just googled, and I see some evidence of people owning a hard copy, but not a listing for the book itself. Apparently the book coincides or was first. Still have the "where to put this listing" issue.
Bible_wiki 1233851003|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
Just a quick comment on Contents Abbreviations. I added a page (http://bibles.wikidot.com/contents) that tries to come up with a set of standard abbreviations. Take a look and see what you think.
Mike_y 1233121766|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
I don't see anything wrong with listing the works in multiple ways. That may be easier to suggest than to implement tho, if there isn't an easy way to verify all the pages are listed from a list page, and verifying that you don't have sort-of duplicates showing up under author listing and title-date naming (should I name that new page geneva or wittingham.)
In addition, I'd like to see more fields standardized, and Contents have some standard abbreviations.
Additional Fields: {Based On: used for work (other translations or original bibles listed here. It is important to know if a work is an update of KJV or a translation of the Vulgate, LXX or the Majority Texts, etc.) Obviously not all works will immediately be clear where they came from, but for the ones that are, having this catalogued is invaluable.}
Contents abbreviations: NT, OT, AP, CR (Cross References) FN (Footnotes) CM (Commentary), MP (Maps), SH (Section Headings), WOC (Words of Christ), GL - Glossary, DR - Daily reading (table or inline), SG (Study guides). For Non-standard works with missing books (Good As New - 2004 for instance) something Like NT (missing Revelation).
Mike_y 1233120441|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
All of the works I'm adding currently are available as free downloads on The Internet Archive Digital Library When Microsoft LiveBooks Closed up, Microsoft released any restrictions they had on the scans done during their sponsorship, and the Internet archive has no restrictions on their works, so these works are now in the public domain.
There are probably more works of scripture available on Google Books than on the Archive. However, the situation with the licensing of the works on google is not quite so clear. the works come with a plea to keep the works in a personal, noncommercial environment. I'm no lawyer so I can't say whether that allows for listing them on this (seemingly not-for-profit, but not clearly declared an IRS 5XX non-profit) or not.
For works that are not in the public domain, (including public domain titles that have been scanned by commercial entities who are restricting the output of their scan,) linking directly to the download would not be wise. That is posting a link here that pops up a save-to-location dialog. Linking to the top level site (whatever.com with no /somethingelse appended to it) is definitely OK and linking to the highest level which shows the work (but also allows the scanning site to get in some ads or sales-pitch) would be unlikely to raise any hackles, since it would increase traffic for them.
Mike_y 1233119741|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
While Microsoft Live Book is gone, the Sources for most of the books that were part of Microsoft LiveBooks can still be viewed via The Internet Archive.
DFH2008 1228666911|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
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Bible_wiki 1222216124|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
One of the most frequestly asked question when I show someone a Bible is: "What is it worth?" and I am usually at a loss to answer them. I can tell them what I paid (which may be many years out of date or I may have gotten a book at an especially good or bad deal). I can tell them what the price is at sites like abe or greatsite or David Lachman or some other book dealer site. Or, I can quote a recent eBay price.
I realize that eBay can vary wildly - I have seen the exact same book go one time for $15 and another (just a few weeks later) for well over $150. It really depends on who sees it and what they are willing to spend at that moment. But, eBay does represent a real sale at a real price and that is valuable information. It would be nice to have dealers share actual prices for items sold (instead of just their asking price) but I realize dealers are usually unwilling to share such data. So, I will probably continue to include real sale prices from eBay when I see them (always noting the source).
In the end, the only thing that matters for me is "Am I willing and able to buy this book at this price today?" If so, I do, if not I must let it do. I have gotten some real bargains over the years and I have also over-paid at times. So, for me, dealer lists, eBay and even values on this site are only an guide to help me seize a bargain and avoid paying too much.
billch 1218064707|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
I am new to this site and so here goes.
I have been collecting English Bible translations since 1968 and have seen a great increase in what you must pay for them. Yes, the dollar value has gone done but the difference is to large to be credited to that. However, I was a seller and a buyer on e-Bay. I believe that e-Bay is the cause for the increase in the price of Bibles. I agree with Ambrose completely for most people do NOT know what the real value of Bibles should be. They see a Bible 100 yrs old and say "wow, I have got to have that" and will bid up the price until they out bid others who don't know the true value either. Thus, inflated prices. The same can be said for the sellers.
Normally, Bibles are not considered old unless from the early 1700s and back. Normally speaking, there are a few translations done by individuals from the 1800s that have a high value. Most, but not all, Bibles with errors have a preminum value. However, only those from about 1830 back to 1530. (A list of these are in my book.)
Because sellers on e-Bay, no matter the reason, get high prices for their Bibles, professional book sellers are now pricing their Bibles based on e-Bay prices.
This is also true for most books today. An example would be my book. It's still in print after 17 years and sells NEW for $295. I just went to ABE.com and two were listed used. One priced at over $400 and the other for over $700. Both are forsale by professional book dealers. Now, who will ever purchased from them when the NEW is selling on amazon.com, B&N, and other places much, much lower than their price for used copies.
I have found that if you don't buy at the inflated price, you will never be able to buy what you want or and need. That is exactly why I have not been able to purchase any Bible translations in the last three years.
All of this makes it rather hard for me when I do an appraisel for a Bible.
AmbroseSJ 1204566113|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
I have seen some descriptions posting a dollar value for a particular edition. I think this is a fine idea. However I don't think using Ebay prices is useful at all. There are too many situations whereby an Ebay price may not reflect the actual price paid. Ebay sellers also may not be qualified to identify a book, or even describe it properly. It is for that reason, that I believe only reputable auction house prices should be quoted for value. This is a well documented type of price for which records are maintained. Otherwise, people may as well just stick in whatever price they feel something is worth, as ABE, Ebay or other internet sources are just not verifiable except for a short duration, and maybe not even then. Thoughts?
Petorisen 1188579685|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
In my directorydirectory of online Bible translations I link to any known electronic copies or references to hardcopy facsimiles and reprints, I suggest this would also enhance The Internet Bible Catalog. For instance a rare translation like William Whiston's Primitive NT may be downloadeddownloaded for free as a facsimile in PDF as a part of the Microsoft Live Book Search.
skodouay 1188097767|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
Beautiful! Great work. Thanks!
Bible_wiki 1188094330|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
I tried increasing the size of the pictures from "thumbnail" to "small" and I think the pages look better. I have started changing over the pages starting with "A" so it may take some time before they are all changed over. Look and some of the "A" pages and see what you think.
Bible_wiki 1188092292|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
I just tried a new layout for the pages. It eliminates the side navigation bar and replaces it with a series of top navigation bars. Everything is still there - just at the top. I am not 100% satisified with how the "add page" works - but it does appear to work. Let me know what you think.
As to the pictures on the sides. Others sizes are available from "thumbnail" to "fullsize". I will experiment with various options and see what is practical.
Thanks for the comments.
skodouay 1188084511|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
When pages are printed now, about 1/3 of the left hand side of each page is wasted and the title page pictures are mostly illegible except for the largest type. Could a page be designed to fill up laterally, and make the images larger? Thanks!
Bible_wiki 1187292152|%e %b %Y, %H:%M %Z|agohover
How should Bible Version entries be arranged? Several possibilities include:
1) Alphabetical based on either the version name of translator name. Advantage - easy to find a given entry. Disadvantage - does not reveal any structure.
2) Topical based on general criteria. For example a section on Complete Bibles versus portions versus New Testaments. Or topics based on who created the version (original languages, Jewish, Catholic, Protestant, other)
3) Chronological - listed by date.
What do you think?
